#55.Romans 2:17-18 - The Jews' Perch
Part II: The Conduct of Humanity
Lo! you are being denominated a Jew, and are resting on law, and are
boasting in God, and know the will, and are testing what things are of
consequence, being instructed out of the law.
Sometimes, when I’m at work (I am a server at a restaurant,) and the kitchen messes up my table’s order, I like to bring the ticket back to them and go, “Lo!”
There’s no real reason behind this. It just feels so official. “Lo! Fixeth the ticket!”
Anyway, hi. While we have established the important “judgment” parameters, there are a certain group of people who don’t truly believe in them for what they are. No, it’s not the group you might think, either. It’s not babies, it’s not the mentally incapacitated, it’s not even the atheists.
It’s the religious crowd.
Okay, okay, that’s a generalization. Admittedly, it’s not the religious people who have at least skimmed their Bibles. Even they have the sense to admit that they are not exempt from judgment. Many think that they will be rewarded on judgment day (so their piousness is still front and center, believing their actions are righteous in some way,) but for the most part, many admit that they will stand before God at the great white throne.
So, naturally, upon hearing the righteous parameters, the bulk of the religious crew will say, “Hey! I’m special, though! I believe this and this, and I do that and that, so I’m saved! What’s your problem with me?” The answer is found in these next ten verses. The “Jew” in discussion during these verses will finally be directly addressed, and condemned. Their position – that their piousness breeds righteousness – is contemptible and absurd. The Jew (the title, not the bulk of the nation,) is representative of the religious.
I
note further that the Jew at least had their oracles to observe; the
Christian today was not promised the same things as the Jew back in the
OT, and are thus attempting to steal and modify these promises from Israel
for their own personal gain. This begets them nothing; if the Jews’ position,
even in Paul’s day, was absurd, then the Christian position today is far more
absurd. Practically everything we read here may be multiplied tenfold on
the current high-mindedness of the world.
Me, Myself and I
As we read back in Romans 2:12, if anyone is found to carry sin, then that person must perish. There is no room for debate on this matter, for such would corrupt the righteous sensibilities of a just God. And oftentimes, the debate is with a view to exonerate the self, or some other perceived group with “less opportunity.” I would like to take a moment and express that all of mankind has no opportunity under sin, so we should stop gerrymandering the race as if redrawing boundaries would make any of us “less” under sin than we were before.
This is, simply, the pessimism of Romans 1:18-3:20. As I’ve said before, this must be conveyed to the masses, or we are operating under an improper backdrop with which to convey the evangel. However, we should not presume that “pessimism” = “bad.” I understand that we often take “negativity” today as inherently evil. This is an assumption on our end. We can observe from God Himself that “negative” emotions – hurt (Gen. 6:6,) sorrow (Eph. 4:30,) anger (Rom. 1:18,) jealousy (Ex. 20:5,) and even hatred (Rom. 9:14, Prov. 6:16) – are not inherently wrong. It is not their existence, but their application which is sorely abused. Unlike Yahweh, Who is seeing and experiencing all of history, mankind has no grounds on which to employ the above emotions, for we do not have a correlative understanding.
It is with this in mind that we must learn that the pessimism Paul conveys of God is not inherently one of “evil” import, but of necessity. In short, do not shy away from the indignation of God. It hurts, sure, but it is right. Is it better to face the indignation of man, who does not know any better and often indicates a preference for wrong, or should we take our true place in creation’s hierarchy, in humility, and recognize the just attitude of our Maker, no matter how depressed He may be?
I say all of this because, as Paul also pointed out in Rom. 2:16, God is not pessimistic with a view to abandon (He is not a Father to walk out and leave His woman married to the government – He is more than man.) He is continually speaking with the anticipation of the following evangel. What does all of this Romans 1-3 nonsense have to do with Jesus Christ, the Image of the invisible God? That will be the only question at the end of this argument.
This evangel is given only by Paul. At no prior point in the Bible could this evangel have been conveyed to you as it will be so fully displayed here. “This is my evangel,” says Paul. The twelve of the Circumcision evangel – that of the kingdom (Matt. 4:23, Acts 1:1-8) – have no claim on Paul’s evangel. If they did, then Paul would be inaccurate to claim a relative ownership of this evangel, rendering all of his works a farce and impertinent to the rest of the Bible. His message is not that of the rest, but above that of the rest (cf. 2 Cor. 12:5-6.) He is severed for the evangel of God – not modifying some pre-existent message (Acts 13:1-2, Rom. 1:1, Gal. 2:7-9.) And, unlike the twelve, Paul forfeits all of his claims to the fleshly distinctions of the Jews (Phil. 3:1-8.) Paul’s message is set apart, a counter-clockwise momentum spinning against the traditional narrative hitherto.
With
all of that said, there are some major objections with which our minds
become burdened. Some of these objections will be labeled immediately, from
Rom. 3:1-8. Others will be sprinkled throughout Paul’s revelation of the
evangel itself (Rom. 3:28, 6:1, 15, 7:7.) Still others will be picked up when
Paul finally relates the evangel to Israel (Rom. 9:19.) For now,
however, we must first explicitly bring them into the fore of this
indictment, because they are so hard-headed that they still believe
they are absent from it.
Denominated
I stress, first and foremost, that the Jew is considered a “denomination,” here. The Greek word is eponomazo, “ON-NAME.” This is its only appearance in the New Testament. It refers to an additional title – “on” – not an inherent quality. Thus we see that this is representative of a titled group. This further tracks with the history of Israel, where the first – Abram – is labeled a Jew by title, not by inherent quality.
The Jew, of course, has been given special designation in God’s eyes, being the chosen nation. They are given a seat at the head of the national table. However, the Jew mistakenly believes that they earned a seat at that table, and that they are given the law with the ability to follow it – when neither principle there is given by God. Instead of thanking God for their seat at the table, they are practically the most guilty of the charges given in Rom. 1:18-23 – they have detained the truth in injustice, they do not glorify God as God, being vain in their reasonings, and all the while, they allege themselves to be wise.
These propositions are stated in clearer terms at this time. Specifically, we see three large points in the above verse – boasting in God, knowing the will, and testing what things are of consequence – and think, “Hey! These are pretty good!” And indeed, these are good! So good, in fact, that they will find their parallel in Paul’s evangel – boasting, knowing, and testing all have their correlative place in Romans 3:21-8:30. If this were all Paul had to say, then it would be important to exempt the Jew from the prior indictment! But alas, given Paul’s conclusion (Rom. 2:21-24,) the Jews have, in fact, failed miserably to actually effect any of those three large points.
This is especially notable in a few ways. For the above verse (2:17,) we see that those three large points are bookended by the word “law.” They rest on law, and are instructed out of law. The problem, then, is not the boasting, knowing, and testing, but the foundation on which they have attempted to do so, as if they were capable of actually effecting the law.
This is important, and ties back into Paul’s statement in Romans 2:13. The Jew fervently believes that they are fulfilling the law, and to this day are even attempting to “force” the promised blessings into fruition by taking control of the promised land as oppressively as they have. But this will only provoke the indignation of God – not His respect. The Jews (or the nation-state of false Israel, more accurately) are severely misguided in this regard.
Resting on Law
What does it mean to
“rest” on law? From the Jewish perspective, this means to herald the law
and honor its precepts. While this is a good theory in practice, in truth, the
Jews overplayed their hands the moment such a concept was introduced to
them. They were told by Yahweh, in Ex. 19:5, that
If you shall hearken, yea hearken to My voice and observe My covenant
then you will become Mine, a special possession, above all of the peoples, for
Mine is all the earth.
In response, the newfound
nation replied, in 19:8–
Now all the people responded together and said: All that Yahweh speaks
we shall do.
This brilliant response was followed immediately by the failure to do what Yahweh spoke. They worshipped a new cow-god concocted by the fashionable Levites. You would think, at this point, that they might have gotten the hint, humbled themselves, and recognized that they would be unable to fulfill a righteous law.
You would think.
Alas, no. To this very day, the Jews still believed – from Mt. Sinai to Paul’s evangel, and even to this very day – that they were capable of following the law. By “resting on law,” it is meant that they believed themselves responsible for fulfilling the law, able to fulfill the law, and thus could comfortably perch on the law.
They believed it to be their salvation. They expected law to carry them to the finish line; by following it, they lived! They merely supposed that they could do it. In truth, the law serves no such purpose. It is the standard for human righteousness. It promises life to those who follow it – not salvation from sin, but the expected life of a righteous individual. To follow it meant that all of their actions would be justified. No mortal can do this, in this flesh, as demonstrated by the Old Testament history. The Jews are, in fact, so confused on this point, that they have admitted extra-biblical writings into their teachings, to skirt around the law, or at least attempt to make it “manageable” (code for “make exceptions wherever the law was too hard to follow.”)
To “rest on law” leads the same direction as the Jews themselves. In the Christian community today, this is doubly problematic. Most churches proclaim that you “must follow law,” or “try your hardest to follow law anyway.” Yet Paul’s message does not place one in the Mosaic law; it operates “apart from law” (Rom. 3:21.) The poor, unknowing Christian today is so caught up in this emotional attachment to the law, that they miss arguments such as Paul makes – you don’t want to be caught under law. It only brings more severe judgment to those who know it, and brings greater indignation for knowingly refusing Paul’s following evangel, which is the only silver bullet to such a predicament. To be brought under law today is even more problematic, as Paul has already summarized through this argument (and OT writers have demonstrated, verifying this argument,) that it is impossible to follow law in this flesh, while sin operates in us. It will not justify you – it will condemn you.
Thus the Christian will receive nothing; they have less than the Jews did. They will not receive the promised millennial kingdom, for it was not promised to them. They will further not receive a place on the new earth, for blasphemy does not promise God’s grace, but His correction. The Jews are bad enough – their position brings dishonor to God (Rom. 2:23.) Worse still, it has brought the nations (represented nowadays by Christendom) into the same blasphemy (Rom. 2:24.) This sorry state of affairs stems from the detestable attempts at self-justification from the sinner, and will only bring death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7-9.)
- GerudoKing
Can you delete all the comments off the last article? I couldn't find the button to make them go away. And this one too, please?
ReplyDeleteI stuck around this God stuff because of the "threats". On my days off I'd read all the articles and wasted many hours of my life because I'm AFRAID. So when I see this...
"It only brings more severe judgment to those who know it, and brings greater indignation for knowingly refusing Paul’s following evangel"
It's making me write and think and stick around and next thing I know two hours have passed, I've got an email I never sent you, and this is all I've got. I've wasted two hours PANICKING over this God stuff this morning alone. This has happened for YEARS behind the scenes, Stephen. So when I said "I'm shelving the God stuff", that's why.
So I am going to make it so easy that you "get it". I never admit guilt, and I have LOADS of guilt. The body keeps the score, even if I refused to. Why do I not admit guilt? Because growing up people weren't SAFE. If admitted fault, I was punished far beyond what I should have and my mistakes were lorded over me. I was never praised, nor wanted. I was a MISTAKE in the eyes of my family (even if it wasn't directly said until many years later).
I have the emotions of a 6,8, or 12 year old. That's why I lash out so much, or freak out. I NEVER got to grow. When I'd try, I was kicked down. That's why therapy was important to me, and when you said "you'd be listening to the flesh by going to one" and how I'd be IGNORING the evangel by doing so... you never understood. I have TWENTY YEARS of mistakes, hurting people emotionally, temper tantrums, worries, fears, desires, and everything.... that I never had ANYONE to talk to about. NOBODY. You didn't want it, most others don't.... they CAN'T (it's a lot and life is in the way).
I think it's BUILT IN me to want to be broken, Stephen. I WANT to be broken, I just want to be loved while being so. That's what Derek did that you missed every time I mentioned it. I admitted some awful stuff I did and instead of telling me how worthless I was...he hugged me. My "anger" at God for taking that away I think should be obvious to you now.
There is a phrase I have heard inside my heart my ENTIRE LIFE.
"If people get to know you, they will leave". I BELIEVE THIS. THIS is what I've lived by, since...what...ten? This is not called guilt, but SHAME. Something I did not know until recently.
So yes, I "refuse" Paul's evenagel because it starts with GOD BEING ANGRY and it therefore makes Him...unsafe. And I've TRIED to force myself to stick with it, to "believe" it, but it's all out of fear. Everything about God INSIDE ME is based around fear. And all these latest articles have reinforced that aspect in such a way that it's inescapable; I'm screwed if I have to "believe" or else. And I've stayed here specifically from "fear".
My honest belief, after all this time, is that God does not care about my life, my feelings, my desires, or circumstance, or lack, or the EFFORTS I've attempted to correct things,... and He does not care that I attempted to open up to people and admit fault many times to have them all disappear. He doesn't care if I'm hurt, He doesn't care that I hate myself... He only cares about making me in such a way that I'm a FOIL so people like you and Martin and others can look good on the Dais while I am tormented down here. And I'm not saying that to hurt you, I'm saying that because to "open up" is on average a TEN YEAR to lifelong process, undoing a messy life like mine. He presented ALL this stuff to me... in the midst of this pain I'm in.... to CONDEMN me more.
- Keith
Or in other words, I have the emotional capacity of a 12 year old and when I've tried to fix it I'd fail and when I'd pray He would, He never did. And you can SEE this. You know this.
DeleteThe reason I want to "shelve" the God stuff so bad is that I want to live my life. I have a list, I have things to do, and on that list is a LOT of hard work, and further attempts to get help and correct it. I want to UNLOAD my guilt, and I want to GROW UP. I just...I can't do it alone. It's IMPOSSIBLE to do it by myself. I've tried, and you know what I've done? I've listened to the "voice in the head" which was primarily made.... to protect me from my family. I talked to myself all the time growing up because I had nobody, but you know what? I only have what's inside and correcting oneself that way, especially at that age, is impossible.
If I want to "Get" this God stuff, and not come by the way of it all "being a threat", then I was right. When you said "therapy is wrong", I think you were wrong. Because you ARE right about needing to be "broken", and accept wrongs and that we are bad. And I think what's happened is that I LEARNED that to "accept that I'm wrong" is DANGEROUS. And I think it's why I've been so afraid of all this, and I think it's why I've sought those "safe people" so much... because something in me says that the ONLY way to get better...is to be real... and loved.
so either I have time, and God will provide all this, or He literally DID build this entire life of mine... just to ultimately condemn me. It's not a knock on anyone, I'm just saying.
And I guess I'll tell you, things are going better. I've got a list, I've been doing the things on it. It's about 20 different lists in one, from writing for therapy, to driving and practicing, to general stuff to money to everything. I've actually been doing it, and even on days I've been depressed I've kept at it, pushing through emotions that normally would make me stop.
DeleteWhat's happening is as I do this stuff I think "if I don't get this "God stuff" right, I'll be left behind and get tortured." I'm not even joking... this happens and has happened for YEARS. So I'll do something HEALTHY, and then feel "bad" because... what I'm doing by taking care of things in my immediate life is apparently "flesh"...and that's "bad".
Today I had a list of things to do, and I've spent the majority of this day panicking over God. Being emotionally wrapped up in this topic. This God stuff has absorbed and sucked the joy out of life. I see a dog? I think "if this dog is around by the snatching away, it will endure lots of suffering". I see a person give me a candy cane at work? "If they don't believe, they will be tormented". CAN'T enjoy the moment, can't enjoy things at all because God has a hurtful angle in store.
But, you see, THIS evangel is built JUST LIKE the Christian relgion in this way; If I leave it has the barb of "you will be tormented if you leave." I can quote you here;
"It only brings more severe judgment to those who know it, and brings greater indignation for knowingly refusing Paul’s following evangel"
This is the SAME tactic that the Christian church used on me. "If you don't believe, you will be PUNISHED". And here I am, dealing with this thing that has sucked my life away in worry...but if I set it aside the barb is loaded.
It's the exact same gun-to-the-head that pastor Paul had, except instead of endless torment it's just 3.5 years of Saddam Husein levels of torture/torment.
Yes, I'm just now coming to realize after all these years that I got hooked into this stuff by the exact same mechanism that the Christian church used. That's HOW I wound up here, because after all "hell" is bad... and it was killing me and I searched for a way to find out what was happening because Eternal torment was intolerable.
DeleteThis evangel isn't built on Christ and His saving work, as "presented" even here... it's entirely based on the same "or else" barb that the Christian religion uses. That also explains the difficulty with the Concordant writings, because it's predominantly the SAME barb used.
This is a religion of FEAR disguised as peace, because of the "or else" barb.
I'm told that the "you must do" is wrong, but CLEARLY I'm "doing something wrong to warrant being tormented". Which means....there IS a "you must do", it's just hidden a lot more cleverly than in the organized church. Faith IS an act, otherwise why would I or anyone be "tormented" for it if it's not? Paul's answer of "who are you to question God" is literally a dismissal of a very important question; it's a non-answer... because it's basically saying "Yes, God is threatening you with unimaginable agony for doing/not doing something that I'm also saying GOD is responsible for. How dare you inquire about it!"
IF I'm tormented in Judgement, it means there's a "You must do" that I DID NOT do... therefore.... it's "my fault". And if it's MY FAULT... then salvation from indignation is MY DOING as well... which goes against much of the writings and videos made by this group that state that it's NOT OUR DOING, But His.
Other than FEAR... does this God actually have anything good to do? Christ sacrifice for sin is minimized if it requires one to have faith that is "a gift of God and not of works" and yet He torments the entire planet save a few for not performing the WORK of faith (because if it's not a work, then even in MY life He's proven an abject failure and has basically pulled a Price is Right "Here's a prize you can't have" on me). Or, in other words, He lied in 1 Cor 13
"4 Love is patient, is kind. Love is not jealous. Love is not bragging, is not puffed up,
5 is not indecent, is not self-seeking, is not incensed, is not taking account of evil,
6 is not rejoicing in injustice, yet is rejoicing together with the truth,"
Love is PATIENT? Love is KIND? It is NOT INCENSED? It is NOT TAKING ACCOUNT OF EVIL?
Seems to me that in the "unveiling" He is NOT; Patient, Kind, not incensed, NOT TAKING ACCOUNT OF EVIL. He has the absolute option of wiping it all out and going straight to white throne and taking time with His creatures and giving them the sort of "you can admit fault here and not get beat up" that was MISSING in life... That's what "I wanted" myself! And it'd be WRONG to not want others to have what I didn't have as well. I looked to GOD to be the Father I never had. But no! Let's beat up the people and make them AFRAID... and then be nice at the White Throne after...you know... poisoning their water and smashing their planet and killing their pets and a third of their friends and family because they didn't respect a GOD Who didn't care about them enough to HOLD them, or comfort them, or tell them they were loved other than through letters from 2,000 years ago. It's like a dad leaving to get milk and not coming back but maybe sending a letter ten years later. This God, if it even is, is an ABSENT FATHER.
This is an "Or Else" religion just like Christianity. And I'm only now realizing what it is I stepped into those years ago. I basically went right back into the same crap I'd left. Holy moly.
And for clarification on comment 2, the need to be broken is in reference to masks. The masks need broken, yet it's hard to when the "God" that is referenced here and the rest of the BoC is one that is not warm, loving, or inviting... but rather one of "You better be broken or else I'll hurt you until you ARE broken!". So instead of a voluntary unloading of guilt and shame with a trusted father figure that I know won't hurt or me penalize me in the way with my family and others.... all that's been presented (by you and the others) as One that is still angry UNTIL it's unloaded. So with everything I "find" I have to know "He hates me unless I do this".
DeleteThere is no willingness to UNDERSTAND by this Deity. There's no willingness to go to those places of hurt and ALSO clarify things or to "cut slack". Not cut slack as in "what's wrong is right". But to cut slack as in "Hey, you were under a lot of stress as well and ANYONE would have done the same... you're NOT WORTHLESS to Me!" But no...this does not exist. We have... Absent Father.
That is NOT love, and it's becoming more and more clear that those of this "body" that "believe".... have the same issue as the Christian religion. "It's not me and I'm fine so who cares?" See, you "Believe" so what happens to me doesn't matter. "Keith ends up happy so who cares if he's tormented for three years! He was "listening to the flesh" and unless he thinks like me... who cares!" This is the true, hidden motto I've found in the subtext of this all, including the concordant articles, Martin's work, all of it - "It's not me so who cares?"
So what is REALLY left with this material? A threat. Believe Christ died for your sins, OR ELSE.... you'll be tormented. At least it's not Hell! But that's ALL that's different.... asides from the details of what death is, and words mistranslated over time in the KJV and others... it's the SAME message. "Turn or Burn" is now "Turn or be tormented". NOT "You're saved by the death entombment and resurrection of Christ!! " Because if I DON'T believe it... then I'm NOT!
DeleteTherefore when the Body states it's not OF US that saves, it's a LIE! It's not Christs work on the cross that saves, but my BELIEF that it saved that saves. Because if I DON'T...then I'm tormented.
It's the same religion, new coat of paint and I'm disappointing I've fell for into it for this long.
If it's truly "Those He calls, these He justifies", then I'd be justified! But then so would JG and Eric and Jill and everyone that hears what's spoken because... that's the definition of a call! If I walk out and look at my neighbor and say "Hey you, come here!" then that's me CALLING them. So by technicality, I'm CALLED because I've read the books, bought some twice even, read the articles, watched the videos DAILY.... but I still "don't believe". So then I'm "not called" even though technically I AM. It means God is a liar and "call" does not mean what it means... just like the Christian religion. It means it's about my RESPONSE and what I DO rather than what A)Christ does or B) God does.
DeleteIt's presented as an all encompassing statement "Christ died for sin, was dead and entombed for 3 days and then resurrected!" but JUST LIKE the baptists... the catch is "I gotta make sure I believe it". So... basically it's "up to me". And the concordant people, especially in later series absolutely hammer on this. "One has to find Christ choice and if they don't they aren't His". So now I gotta worry about if I "find Him choice?" So I gotta look INWARD to know if Christ's death "counts"...rather than it just counting no matter what I do. Rather than it just "being fact" and active, much like D-Day or any other widely documented event.
In other words... it's literally the same thing with a new coat of paint.
"Extortion" - is the practice of obtaining benefit from an individual or group through coercion, usually by threatening them with future psychological or physical harm.
DeleteSo in this instance I can quote you again. "In short, do not shy away from the indignation of God. It hurts, sure, but it is right"
So is it the saving work of Christ on the cross, His death entombment and resurrection? Or is it "not shying away from indignation of God?
Out of one hand you people state "it's not of us and it can't be messed up" and then in another state that IT IS, you're just unwilling to admit it, aka same Christian whitewash
This IS extortion. "Agree or be tormented"
the entire system of belief is predicated on "avoiding tribulation". It is NOT predictated on actually being "saved", because while it's often stated as NOT, it IS contingent on the individual, and what they do/ believe.
DeleteDay still happened whether I believe it or not, but "being saved" according to you DOES hinge on what I do (but can't call it that)
Everyone tells me God's love is "unconditional"/unmerited and then it's entirely and completely conditional
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